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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
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Posted - 2013.03.19 04:25:00 -
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Hello all,
I am a suicide ganker. Since the last hulkageddon, I have been perfecting the art.
My setup of choice today looks like this:
[Catalyst, Catalyst - T1 Suicide Ganker]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Sensor Booster I, Scan Resolution Script or Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I (requires perfect fittings, CPU issue)
Sensor Booster I, Scan Resolution Script
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
[empty rig slot]
I prefer this setup due to the cost being roughly 2 mil. When a T2-fit catalyst easily costs 5 times more for not even twice the DPS, this ship becomes a clear winner when you can bring more people.
I have been using this setup for some time now, practicing on mining barges and exhumers:
- Untanked Covetors can die to a single T1 catalyst in a 0.6, might even get the pod if skills are maxed (avg loot 5-15 mil).
- Retrievers with low-to-moderate tank can easily be killed with two T1 catalysts (avg loot 5-10 mil).
- Untanked Hulks can just barely be killed with two T1 catalysts in a 0.6 (avg loot 10-40 mil).
- Link to our killboard, feel free to check the last two months for confirmation of these numbers.
I did some number crunching concerning freighters and jump freighters:
EHPs Against Caldari Navy Antimatter with level 5 skills (no implants):
Providence - 192124
Charon - 181288
Obelisk - 202988
Fenrir - 172790
Ark - 345824
Rhea - 329735
Anshar - 371146
Nomad - 311021
T1 catalyst overheated volley: 830 (418 dps)
(1.0 - 0.9) 3 volleys = 2490
(0.8 - 0.7) 5 volleys = 4150
(0.6 - 0.5) 8 volleys = 6640
Amount of Catalysts needed (3 / 5 / 8 volleys):
Providence - 77 / 46 / 29
Charon - 73 / 43 / 27
Obelisk - 82 / 49 / 31
Fenrir - 69 / 42 / 26
Ark - 139 / 83 / 52
Rhea - 132 / 79 / 50
Anshar - 149 / 89 / 56
Nomad - 125 / 75 / 47
What have we learned:
1) Aim Minmatar, avoid Gallente
2) Taking variables into account, 50 catalysts (~100 mil) to gank a freighter in 0.5
2) Taking variables into account, 75 catalysts (~150 mil) to gank a jump freighter in 0.5
I am already manufacturing 500+ such catalysts per month. EVE mail me in-game if interested and await further instructions. Feel free to help me optimize further or provide me your most delicious tears.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
536
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Posted - 2013.03.19 05:15:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Fifty dudes... What's the individual payout you're looking for? Or is this purely for the lulz?
We are making a steady profit right now to buy back materials for the catalysts. The machine keeps grinding and every once in a while we hit a bigger jackpot; someone forgets to leave skillbooks in station, another decides to fit meta mining upgrades. When that happens, we divide the profit, otherwise we are essentially ganking for free.
I see a freighter gank the same way. It costs you nothing to join, as I provide the ships. Just getting that bil+ killmail is worth it already, any profit to be divided is a bonus, really.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
541
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Posted - 2013.03.19 12:50:00 -
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Brinxter wrote:Out of sheer curiousity, how do you deal with looting that freighter wreck nowadays?
Because you probably need another freighter to scoop the wreck, who'll go suspect upon doing so.
And that seems like a bad idea :)
Since when has anything in EVE been a good idea? 
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
545
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Posted - 2013.03.21 02:21:00 -
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Pannax Ni wrote:Have you considered the gate guns at all?
Gate guns will obliterate 2-3 catalysts, negating their damage significantly. Nevertheless, we were able to gank an untanked Prowler on a 0.6 gate (CONCORD already present) with only 2. That number remains constant regardless of the number of people going GCC. This is why I think 50 catalysts is overkill when numbers say 30 should do it.
Ave Kathrina wrote:I disagree with the OP in the strongest possible terms.
NOT using T2 modules on suicide gank ships greatly lowers the amount of ISK I make looting blue gank ship wrecks.
I've make almost 300 million in the last week like this.
Not everyone will want to join-in for the ISK/hour. What happens when your group becomes so efficient killing freighters at such minimal cost that you can start ransoming left and right?
At the very least, you pay 2 mil to be part of a bil+ killmail. Could be more fun then going on a 30-jump roam then ganking one Drake. Yet these roams happen everyday and there is an unlimited supply of AFK freighters in highsec.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
545
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Posted - 2013.03.21 02:39:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:
funny thing is, for being pros at it, and doing it extensively, sometimes over 100 freighters per month, you'd think if this was "Perfecting" the freighter gank, theyd stop using TECH 2 FIT talos, and go with tech 1 fit, or your catalysts. But they don't. Oh well, guess you're wrong, OP.
I sense a strong feeling of skepticism in you. To be honest, so do I. I sure as hell hope it ain't THAT easy and inexpensive to suicide gank a freighter. But what if it is? And if the first such freighter gank would be yours, would you send me an equally passionate letter of tears claiming abuse of game mechanics since no one had done it previously?
If it's not... 100 mil is equivalent to what for trying? One T2-fit Tornado getting ganked in lowsec. 
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
546
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Posted - 2013.03.22 02:13:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Maybe I can make money selling stuff to you people.
Maybe. If interested, hit my up with an EVE mail, we can discuss this further.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
546
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:46:00 -
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Opertone wrote:i think that very few people would want to do it on a everyday basis. You lose sec status, you can not enter hi sec again. These people would get very litte ISK wise.
So you need to start a suicide academy for lulz, and recruit new people everytime, letting people come and go. You need to give out full catalyst/thrasher packages at a price of a two million. (If you don't, markets will crash, ship/fittings will skyrocket)
You need to start a suicide gankers code, so that random new people do not shoot friendly gankers for lulz and ruin that attack run.
If you look at my killboard, you will notice all characters doing those ganks are already -10.0. All we need to do is park the 40-50 catalysts in a 0.4 system bordering a 0.5 and sound the horn when an auto-piloting freighter travels through.
I would probably reward the highest DPS count and whoever gets on the pod killmail as well. This solves the "splitting it equally" issue. We already have some interested heads, but there are plenty more -10.0 characters out there who would jump on the occasion to do this for free.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
546
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Still doesnt change the fact that everyone payout will be so small you would be better off just running missions.
Why else do you run missions if not to get bil+ killmails? 
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
547
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Posted - 2013.03.26 01:52:00 -
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FWIFF0 wrote:
Hi i gank freighters all the time and you dont know **** about **** stop posting.
How much does it cost to gank a freighter when you do it? Would you suppose that I could get more volunteers if we targeted exclusively Goonswarm's freighters? You guys seem to have lots of enemies 
Sweet, I will add RvB to my list of contacts and send a notification when the date is set. These are the kinds of people I am looking for.
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
593
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Posted - 2013.05.04 04:14:00 -
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bump
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
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